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Car Keys Micro Camera Review
hope it can help your life safe and happiness
The #8 is one version of the 808 car keys micro camera.
I have a #8 on order and will review it when I receive it. Received 101019.
|120112 - Mod - #8 and Ext. Battery in tic tac Box|
|SmaRkieS made this mod that fits an 808 #8 and a Nintendo USG-003 1000 mAh external battery into a tic tac box (16g). See the full description here.|
|110928 - #8 Comments|
comments about his 808 #8.
I pointed my #8 at a measuring tape held 20cm away, and it caught just 8.8cm of it, which I worked out to be a 24.8 degrees horizontal angle of view, according tohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_of_view that works out to around an 80mm lens in 35mm terms. ... No wonder I find it abolutely hopeless as a camera - it's extremely difficult to aim properly at that kind of zoom level, without a viewfinder or screen! I was hoping for something I could carry hand-held through an area, unspotted, aiming as best I can - but my results have been terrible no matter how hard I've tried. Either too low, too high, off to one side, quite apart from the motion I was hoping to have Deshaker fix for me! Without rigging up a wider lens (I may try a 'jelly' one from eBay) or calibrating a viewfinder of some sort, it's only use is as a webcam or a sound recorder :(
I have acquired a #8 key which has impressed me so far, I haven't had any audio or video drop-out problems here on a reasonable Win7 PC. It all works well in VLC player and VirtualDub. LogoAway works quite well while Deshaking, it's not hard to adjust the numbers while the Preview screen is visible, but I have used these settings for the #8's yellow-on-black box at the lower right :
I will admit being confused at first which button was Power and which was Mode, I realise that when you're well familiar with something it's easy to overlook the very basics for newcomers - perhaps a labelled photo on your page would help? I'll do one for you if you like. The photo on my key's instructions is so small and blurred I couldn't read it! I also had a little trouble for a minute or two working out which way the micro SD card was supposed to be inserted, and whether it went all the way in - again the photo for complete beginners could show that :)
One issue I noticed with VirtualDub is the old problem of video levels. The MJPEG avi files contain full 0-255 RGB levels which seem to come into VirtualDub expecting levels of 16-235, resulting in "crushed blacks" and "clipped whites". I attach a JPG to show the difference it makes to open the file indirectly using a simple AviSynth avs text file, getting back low black level and bright white detail - the correct contrast instead of too much. Notice the washed out white blanket gets a lot more detail back, also the dark areas on the bin.
Simply install AviSynth (http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Main_Page), and then instead of drag-n-dropping the original filename.avi onto the desktop VirtualDub icon to launch and load - instead you create a text file in NotePad in the same folder, containing one line of text as follows (with the required file name), and drag-n-drop that instead (also brings in the audio correctly) :
--- textfile test.avs --- contains only the next line... ---
--- end of file ---
A.J. has this workflow: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19464332&postcount=8163
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xRGy2eShKM - 110509 sample
#8 video with the 808 taped to the hood of a Jeep. Class 2
micro SD card.
http://cyclurba.fr/forum/134854/camera-solution-chere-tres-efficace.html?discussionID=5664#msg134854 - 110613 Project to replace the internal #8 LiPo with an external Casio NP-20 690 mAh (Li-Ion).
|110615 - Hyundai MC1010 is a #8|
Wim contacted me to report that Hyundai
(Hyundai Technologies Handels GmbH, Vienna Austria) is selling the MC1010 which seems to be an 808 #8 camera.
The webcam driver that Hundai is supplying is for the 808 EKEN #8 camera.
If you download the timesynchronization files, it is a zip file with EKEN.EXE and EKEN_V0.0.03.EXE in it.
Until now, no "name brand" has associated itself with any version of the 808 camera. I doubt that Hyundai has anything to do with making the camera.
Google Hyundai MC1010 to find links.
|110526 - #8 Report|
Boris received a #8. Photos below.
"I still convince my camera to work in a webcam mode. I can see webcam in my control panel and in device manager but i cant get any picture from it(W7-64) I adjusted time using EKEN_V0.0.03.EXE but you have to run the file as administrator, regular left-hand clicking doesn't work, so, it works under W7-64bit. I add pictures of pcb from both sides and picture of W7 desktop watch with camera."
|110329 - Audio Video Sync Problem - Adobe Premier Elements V8|
|110329 - Allen reports
that when he imports the 808 #8 AVI file into Adobe Premier
Elements V8, the video and sound are out of sync.
He was able to work-around this problem by importing the AVI file into Windows Movie Maker (WMM), encoding to DV-AVI, and then importing the DV-AVI into Premier. No sync problems.
Rocket launch videos taken with the #8 by Allen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDaXtPvrRZQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwJD7u75Pb0
Comment by Chuck Lohr - The 808 #8 camera is strange because it does not use PCM audio like most other 808 cameras. The #8 uses an audio ADPCM U-law codec. That is probably causing problems when the #8 AVI is imported into Premiere. VirtualDub could be used to replace the ADPCM audio with PCM audio (no video re-encoding). Then the #8 AVI might import into Premier with no problems.
|110227 - #8 Webcam, 04FC 3058 vs. 04FC 2843|
|110226 - It seems that
there might be two different #8 cameras and each uses a
different webcam (maybe just
firmware differences). The webcam hardware ID is either 04FC 3058
or 04FC 2843.
My #8 camera uses webcam 04FC 3058. No matter what I do, I can't make it 04FC 2843.
|110127 - #8 Webcam Hardware ID (04FC 2843) - No Webcam Driver|
|Hardware ID 04FC 3060 -
This is the original #8 webcam hardware ID. It works with
the EKEN 04FC 3060 webcam driver.
Hardware ID 04FC 2843 - It seems that some #8 cameras are being delivered with this webcam hardware ID. There is currently no 04FC 2843 webcam driver.
If your camera has a webcam hardware ID of 04FC 2843 then
|Madox collected this
#8 webcam installation information showing no webcam driver for
hardware ID 04FC 2843:
#8? Same Mass Storage and Webcam ID is different. Purchased from another seller (novelmart)
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04fc:3060 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd (MSD)
Bus 002 Device 013: ID 04fc:2843 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd (Webcam)
Bus 002 Device 024: ID 04fc:5560 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd (Firmware Update? Hold Start/Stop while plugin)
[ 3242.510340] usb 2-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13
[ 3242.663390] usb 2-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 3242.664269] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Video Camera (04fc:2843)
[ 3243.661481] uvcvideo: Failed to query (129) UVC probe control : -110 (exp. 26).
[ 3243.661492] uvcvideo: Failed to initialize the device (-5)
|110130 - #8 Proximity Symptom - Problem Part Fixed|
reported that his #8 camera would turn on just by bringing his
hand close to the camera. He replaced a part and fixed the
"I have camera 808 # 8. at begin camera worked well, but sometimes switched off. when connected to the charge on the USB. then it ceased to be included on the discharge did not respond. unsolder the battery, put back - have begun to include, but trying to make a video - Shut off. noticed that if I'm close the transistor for a few seconds, then camera turns on and works fine until the next shutdown. transistor seems broken, because central contact and the contact on the right - 1 ohm."
"My camera #8 start fail. I found the cause. During charging broken down voltage regulator 1.8V, marked as "A18a". I replaced it and the camera work ok."
|101209 - #8 USB Log of Setting the Date Time|
|Josef in Austria used
to log the USB activity. Here is a link to the log file:
C8 Set Date Time UsbSnoop.log.txt
|2010 Oct 28 - #8 Problem - Camera Won't Turn On|
|Many people have reported
that their #8 camera will not turn on. It happens with my #8.
Reset will not fix it.
If the camera is USB connected for a short time, when disconnected the LED flashes, the LED turns on and the camera is OK.
If the camera is USB connected for more than a few minutes, when disconnected the LED immediately goes out and the camera will not turn on.
The camera can't be turned on. The LED is off and pressing any button or the reset will not turn the camera on.
This is a common problem and I don't know exactly what causes it but there is a fix for it.
Connect the USB cable until the LED turns on, then immediately disconnect.
Q. How can I fix this problem if I'm not near a computer USB port?
A. Carry a USB emergency charger. The 5V on the USB connector does the fix, so any USB port that has 5V will work. The USB emergency charger works to fix this #8 problem and will charge the 808 battery.
|2010 Oct 20 - #8 Strange Files|
|Jure in Slovenia
I do face problems with recording #8 videos after formatting the card. I can start recording however I cannot stop it - or shall I say, camera "hangs out" and needs to be reset. On card however I can see "strange files", see yourself:
|2010 Oct 20 - #8 My Review Under Construction|
Audio periodic noise - The camera injects noise every 1 second in the audio stream. I recorded a 1 kHz sine wave. The noise is still there but it is not obvious from visual inspection of the waveform. At 1kHz 16 samples per sine wave is very coarse.
Setting the video date time stamp - How to set the date time. The 808SetClock program (ver 1.3.1) does not work.
Remove the micro SD card while taking a video - A file name EKEN0009.avi of length 1,048,576,000 bytes (0x3E800000 bytes) is created. This file is a corrupted AVI file that does not play, but can be opened by VirtualDub. The index table is corrupt and VirtualDub reconstructs it. The file, after the point that the card was removed, contains sectors from an old #3 camera AVI file. Strange.
|2010 Oct 19 - #8 Reports|
|101019 - Bill reports
he received a #8 from linjiechong, but the seller listed a #3.
The VID/PID is 04FC/3058 although sometimes I see 04FC/3060. (3058 is the webcam and 3060 is the mass storage device).
The camera does a close and continue when doing a long video. I typically see files sizes between 0.3GB and 0.5GB. Something not mentioned before - there is usually a 6 to 7 second gap between the close of one file and the start of the next (using the timestamp as the measuring device).
I see a LOT of dropped frames. For example, in a video with 14116 frames (7 min 50 sec), there were 4710 dropped frames. This was done using a Kingston Class 4 card (4GB).
I haven't measured the battery life yet, but it's at least 48 minutes. That was the length of a recording that I made without fully charging the battery. The camera produced 8 files totally slightly less than 3.2GB.
|2010 Oct 18 - #3 vs. #8 YouTube Video Comparison|
this YouTube video comparing the #3 and #8 camera.
This is my opinion: I'm thinking as far a video quality goes it's a toss up. Both cameras hunt for the correct exposure, the color balance of the #3 seems a tiny bit worse (purple trees), the horizontal motion blur is identical, the color and sharpness of the #8 is outstanding at the very end (wood shed). The audio quality, not demonstrated here, is much better in the #3.
|2010 Oct 08 - #8 AVI Segments and Battery Life|
|101008 - Ed reports
that his #8 records multiple AVI files of various sizes, and the
battery lasted 83 minutes in the following bench test.
I charged the #8 camera for 65 minutes and let it record outside until the battery died, it saved varying file sizes.
Battery lasted 1 hour 23 minutes 36 seconds 3,881,597KB memory used at 46,480KB per minute on Class 4 Kingston 8GB card Case temp at the end of 65 min. charge was 99.7 degrees on top cover in a 78 degree room. Sound is definitely bad, video is pretty good.
-AVI 1 = 521,671KB = 10:42 minutes
-AVI 2 = 512,517KB = 10:44 minutes
-AVI 3 = 512,408KB = 11:00 minutes
-AVI 4 = 1,024,760KB = 23:06 minutes
-AVI 5 = 1,024,760KB = 25:44 minutes
-AVI 6 = 285,481 KB = 6:24 minutes
|2010 Oct 01 - #3 #8 Comparison|
bazaarlee.co.uk has posted YouTube videos comparing the #3
and the #8. He sells the #3 in the UK, and he ordered a big
batch of #3, but got a big batch of #8.
Note: the flash card is a genuine Sandisk 8GB class 2. Crystal Disk Mark Sequential write 7.640, 512K random write 1.052
David will be retesting with a faster flash card.
-- Chuck at www.chucklohr.com/808
I can confirm the #8 uses : tag.txt
Quite frankly I find the #8 to be pretty bad. The audio has a lot of blips/ pops and so does the video, plus several #8 tested seem to have a weird over/under saturated phasing going on through out the video, (the #8 bellow was a better sample). The #3 still seems to be superior.
Going by what I've seen with the #8 I am not going to be selling them and will be returning a batch of 30 to my supplier. Which may be trouble as I think they have done a runner, as they have suddenly gone from selling 1000+ items a month on ebay to private feedback and 0 items available.
Here is a #3 and #8 video comparison.
|2010 Sep 27 - #8, New Camera Version|
Clemens in Germany received his #8 camera from eBay
for-easy-life. He requested a webcam driver and it was
sent to him. The driver is large (6 MB). I don't have the
bandwidth to host it. If you want it by email, email me a request.
I have two confirmations that it does not work with Windows
Here is the #8 webcam driver.
When the USB is connected the camera is in mass storage device mode. Short press the power button and the camera will switch to webcam mode. Another short press will switch back to mass storage device mode.
The driver contains two files:
EKEN.exe - This is the driver for the webcam
EKEN_V0.0.03.exe - This is a tool to set the time of the internal clock, it worked. Just plug the camera in and execute the program.
EKEN.exe creates a folder "Program Files/EKEN PC Driver" with these files:
The driver installs two devices:
Still Camera Device, CA5000A, bulk3052.sys
Video Camera Device, CA5000A, Product name SunPlus SPMP3052, pmp3052v.sys, dext3052.ax, dext3052_x64.ax
Hardware ID associated with this camera:
04FC 3058 - Webcam (Imaging device, Video Camera Device) (USB Controller, Null Camera device) (USB controller, Still Camera Device)
04FC 3060 - Disk Drive, Mass Storage Device (Disk Drives, EKEN Video Camera USB Device) (USB Controllers, USB Mass Storage Device)
04FC 5560 - Unknown
|100927 - Alchemist sent me information about a new camera version.
It has enough unique features to be christened the #8.
The main reason this version is different is:
● The video date time stamp is yellow on black.
● The audio is ADPCM u-law. All other versions have been PCM.
● The processor is labeled EKEN002, but based on the PID and the quality, it is probably a SunPlus processor.
● There is little to no aspect ratio distortion in the 720x480 video and 1280x1024 photos.
● Close-and-continue at 1GB.
● Hardware ID (VID PID) of the #8 webcam is 04FC 3058. The #8 has the same VID as the SunPlus cameras #3 and #6 (04FC 1528).
This 808 camera might be the Eken D006. The circuit board is labeled D006-V3
|#8 Video Date Time Stamp||#8 Photo Date Time Stamp|
|#8 battery, bottom side||#8 battery, bottom side|
|#8 button, top side. D006 is the EKEN camera model.||#8 processor labeled EKEN002. Probably a SunPlus processor.|
|Comments from Alchemist:
eBay kkwvfp was claiming specifically to be selling the #3 but it is not.
In his listing he wrote: "It is #3, Date time color is yellow, stamp on lower right"
But it turns out it is a new 720x480 key cam altogether..
Initial record time in one session,
EKEN0001.avi 1Gb 48m 09s 720x480
EKEN0002.avi 685Mb 31m 55s 720x480
So that's 1.69Gb over 80m 04s on the "as supplied" 200mAh battery. "Close and Continue" recording every 1Gb.
Timestamp: Bottom Right (Smaller than #3, yellow on black background)
#3 timestamp is larger on a transparent background.
In the very short test I gave it, it's not quite as sharp as the #3 (which is very good) but otherwise comparable in most aspects.. poor lowlight similar etc.
|2010 XXX XX - XXXXXXXX|
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