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Car Keys Micro Camera Review
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808 #16 Camera
The #16 is one version of the 808 car keys micro camera.
720p H.264 video in AVI or MOV. Three lens options.
It has the best support of all the 808 720p cameras at the RCGroups forum.
See Tom Frank's RC #16 forum.
|Table of Contents|
#16 First Report
● #16 Available
● #16 Forum
● #16 Reviews
|808 #16 Links|
|INSTRUCTIONS - 808 #16 instruction manuals (UK, DE, FR), firmware and Nr16Setup.||http://www.mytempfiles.info/nr16/index.html|
|RADIO CONTROL - Tom Frank's RCGroups 808 #16 forum. Great information. To search this forum you must sign-up at RCGroups (free). Do not post off-topic.||http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1556994|
|RCGroups Comparison||Isoprop's description of the 808 #11 and #16 differences.|
|REVIEWS - Video Reviews, YouTube etc.||
|BATTERIES - Link to #16 batteries on eBay||http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=808++%2316+battery+-nokia+-cable|
Link to #16 cameras on eBay.
Buy a real #16. There are fakes. A real #16 camera uses H.264 video compression. Takes MOV or AVI video. Does not have 4 LED holes in the case. Does not use MJPG video compressions. Has almost no missing frames. The delivered price is usually more than US$36.
|eBay search for 808 #16|
|VARIANT V3 - 131231 808 #16 V3 released||http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27048185&postcount=16522|
|SEARCH - Google search of 808 #16||https://www.google.com/search?q=808+%2316|
|POWER - "The definite guide to power connectors, charging, and other power related questions" by Isoprop.||http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20401640&postcount=1020|
|CAD - 3D printer and CAD related to the 808 #16||
|SAMPLE - Sample frame-grabs (1280x720) from a #16 V1 D lens, Velcro mounted under the brim of a baseball hat. The Glider Connection, Waialua, Oahu, HI.||
Click a photo for full size
|Mounting base. With a screw mount or ball mount. Will hold the 808 #16.||Available on eBay.|
|808 #16 Question & Answer (Q&A)|
|150227 AUDIO ONLY RECORDING
Q. Will the 808 #16 record an audio only file?
A. No. However, if you record a video file (video + audio) and set the FPS very low, you will have a small video file with audio. Then you can de-multiplex the video file to extract the audio stream into an audio file. The 808 #16 configuration tool can be used to set the video FPS to 5, the minimum FPS. See "de-multiplexing the MOV file".
150227 DE-MULTIPLEXING THE MOV FILE (separating the video and audio streams).
Q. MOV 720p and 5 FPS, what tools work to de-multiplex the MOV file?
It seems that all the video stream frames and all the audio stream is recorded to the MOV file. However, the MOV file is incorrectly internally tagged as being 30 FPS (6 times faster than 5 FPS).
During playback, here is the strange confusing part - The video file plays fast at 30 FPS, 6 times normal speed. Only the first 1/6 of the audio plays, but a normal speed. For example, consider a file recorded at 5 FPS in 6 minutes of real time. It will have 1800 video frames. It will play at 30 FPS in 1 minute.
On many players the audio will only play for first 1 minute (16.7%), even though 6 minutes of audio is in the file.
A. Solveigmm De-Multiplexer
The video can be extracted as a 30 FPS filename.h264 H.264 file. All frames extracted
The audio can be extracted as a filename.WAV file. Only first 16.7% (1/6) gets extracted. The extracted audio plays at the correct speed.
A. Quicktime Pro - De-Multiplexer
The video can be extracted as a 30 FPS filename.mp4 H.264 file. All frames extracted.
The audio can be extracted to AIFF, AU or WAV. The audio plays at the correct speed. All audio is extracted.
140705 VIDEO-OUT, V2 vs. V3
Q. Is the video-out cable for the 808 #18 V2 the same as the V3?
A. No. See http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=28822773&postcount=17637
140630 USE A GOOD USB CABLE FOR EXTERNAL USB POWER
Q. What could cause unreliable auto-record while using external USB power?
A. Ken reported this problem to me - "Sometimes the #16 would turn on but the LEDs would flicker dimly and sometimes the LEDs would stay on. In either case the 808 was locked up and not recording". Ken solved the problem by using a better USB cable. The bad cable was unshielded. The good cable has a foil shield and the shield was ground connected end-to-end.
My comment - To avoid problems, the USB cable must have good power and ground conductors and the 5V source must be regulated.
Many USB cables are unshielded, contain very small wires on power and ground, and are unreliable. The 808 #16 uses up to 300 mA, so a good power and ground in the USB cable is necessary. Always test your configuration with the best USB cable you have. I have found that branded USB cables (HTC, Sprint, LG, etc) are usually the best.
The USB 5V source must be compliant (4.75-5.25V), regulated and clean (low electrical noise).
140330 SOME VIDEO COMPLIANCE PROBLEMS
Q. Are all video files produced by the 808 #16 compliant to the video standard?
A. No. The #16 has at least 60 different video configurations possible. Three resolutions, five different FPS, two different mbps, and two different video formats MOV/AVI. I have only tested a few and some configurations are not compliant.
For example: MOV, 720p, 5FPS, 7mbps, 70 minute file (4200 seconds), date time stamp on. Audio is PCM. The MOV file contains 21000 (70*60*5) frames. 700 seconds of audio can be played so at least 700 seconds is present in the file. I don't know if all 4200 seconds of audio is present in the file or if all of it can be played.
The good - All of the video frames are present in the video file and will play.
The bad - The video file is non-compliant and video players (WMP, VLC, KMPlayer) have a difficult time playing it. Random access does not totally work. It should play at 5 FPS for 4200 seconds but plays at 30FPS for 700 seconds (4200/6). The video plays at 6X speed but the audio plays at 1X speed. The first 700 seconds of audio plays at 1X speed. I don't know if all 4200 seconds of audio is present in the file. If present, I don't know how to extract or play all 4200 seconds of audio.
Random access can be restored by importing and exporting the MOV file through AVIdemux or Solveig Video Splitter. I do not know how to modify the file to play at 5 FPS without re-encoding it.
140326 LOWEST VIDEO DATA RATE
Q. What is the longest video record time (the lowest video data rate), if external USB power is used?
A. About 4.2 MB per minute (239 minutes per GB, 5.3 days on 32GB).
These times are empirical and approximate. The longest video configuration (the lowest data rate) is 640x480, 5 FPS, 7 MbPS and no sound. Shortest recording will occur due to stationary camera and stationary subject, and daylight. Longer recording will occur due to low light, or motion camera or motion subject. NOTE - When recorded at 5 FPS, the MOV file internally says 30 FPS. So every player plays back the MOV at 30 FPS.
HIGHEST VIDEO DATA RATE
Q. What is the shortest video record time (the highest video data rate), if external USB power is used?
A. About 54 MB per minute (18 minutes per GB, 9.6 hours on 32GB).
These times are empirical and approximate. The shortest video configuration (the highest data rate) is 1280x720, 30 FPS, 10 MbPS, with sound.
CONFIGURING THE VIDEO DATA RATE
Q. What camera configuration parameters effect the video recording time?
A. Resolution (1280x720, 848x480, 640x480). FPS (5, 10, 15, 20, 30). Bit rate (7, 10) megabits per second. Sound or no-sound.
TIME_LAPSE PHOTO DATA RATE
Q. If times-lapse photo mode is enabled and used, what is the data rate of the photos produced?
A. The data rate is about 0.4 to 94 MB per minute depending on the configured time-lapse period.
The period can be configured 0.25 to 60 seconds (the FPS would be 0.0166 to 4 FPS). Empirically, each 1280x720 JPG photo will be about 390 KB (about 370 to 410 KB). The first photo name is MINI0001.JPG, so there might be a limit of 9999 photos. I don't know what happens after photo MINI9999.JPG.
64GB SDXC CARD
Q. SDHC FAT32 flash cards up to 32 GB can be used. Can a 64GB SDXC card be used in the 808 #16?
A. ISOPROP of the RCGROUPS 808 #16 forum says: "If it's less than 64GB format to FAT32, if it's 64GB format to exFAT. Use in-camera formatting to format the card automatically to the correct format."
|808 #16 Properties|
|141116 - The
808 #16 and the 808 #11 are reported to use the
Omnivision OV9712 1280x800 image sensor.
|140206 - 808 #16 battery sizes|
|There have been two #16
battery sizes. The larger battery requires a thicker case.
If your camera has a 402030 you can get a thicker case and upgrade to a 502030 which will take a longer video and be a little heavier.
See this eBay description for an explanation http://www.ebay.com/itm/360635231496
|130705 - Replaceable Camera Module|
your 808 #16 camera records video and the image has strange
colors like magenta, cyan or yellow then the damage
might be in the internal camera module. A new A,
B or D camera module might fix it. The camera module is
available on eBay for about US$13 or less.
|130604 - Internal Camera, Flat Cable Extension|
808 #16 (and the 808 #26) have a socketed internal camera module
with a 24 pin 0.5mm pitch flat cable.
Cables are available to extend the flat cable from 2 to 30 inches.
The camera module is fragile.
Mechanical shock or bending the flat cable might damage it.
See Extending the Camera Flat Cable
|120818 - #16 AOV FOV|
|The analysis by
Tom Frank and
Sparky Paul helps to clarify the confusion about AOV (angle
of view) or FOV (field of view).
AOV, without additional explanation, depends on the context. It can mean diagonal, horizontal or vertical. Also it can mean the image the lens focuses or it can mean the image that intersects the image sensor array, or the image stored in the video file.
The #16v2 lens D might be able to create a focused image from 120 degrees but the sensor image and the resultant video file image is smaller.
Empirically, these are approximately the horizontal field of view in the video file for the #16v2 lenses.
A 52 degrees, B 60 degrees, D 90 degrees
|120726 - 808 #16 V2 with lens D - 120 degree|
#16 V2 is now available with lens D, a 120 degree lens.
Comparison video, by Tom Frank, showing the differences of lens A, B and D https://vimeo.com/46375068
808 #16 V2 lens D, 120 degree, eBay listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/180937263580
|120721 - #16v2 is Available - Wider lens and composite video out (no sound out)|
The #16v2 pros and cons compared to the #16v1.
PRO - Wider angle of view, about 78 degrees. Composite video output. Price is still about US$40. Exposure to a blue sky does not cause a temporary gray and yellow color shift like the #16v1.
CON - More vignetting. Exposure tends to be a center bright area (hot spot) and dark edges. The video-out shortens the recording time by about 10 minutes.
The #16v2 minimum firmware version is 0.35.
120723 - This link shows the circuit board differences between the #16 V1 and V2.
See the RCGroups Tom Frank #16 forum starting with message 7019 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1556994
See this eBay eletoponline365 listing
Seller comment - "This package will use a new lens (we call it Lens B). With IR filter at front, the lens itself will look a little red. It got around 13% wider angle of view than the original one (Lens A)."
Tom Frank -
"The (#16v2) TV video-out function does not impact the recorded video quality... it just shortens the recording time by about 10 minutes." Sample video comparison of lens A and lens B. http://vimeo.com/35533527 https://vimeo.com/45810909
|120203 - #16 problems with class 10 flash cards|
|120615 See this list of
problematic cards. Class 6 and 10 only
With some class 10 cards, the camera sometimes terminates the video early. If you are an RCGroups member (free) you can search about this at the #16 forum. Search for "class 10". Class 4 chards have usually been OK.
|120103 - #16 Firmware, Manual, Windows Software|
The following link is to the 808 #16 configuration utility (Windows) by Isoprop, and the #16 manual from the manufacturer. The configuration utility is optional, but it makes setting the #16 configuration file easy. http://www.mytempfiles.info/nr16/index.html
When available, new firmware for the 808 #16 will be posted at Tom Frank's #16 forum. See the first 4 postings there.
|111226 - #16 Reviews and Sample Videos|
111226 - Techmoan in the UK has been doing YouTube reviews of the 808 cameras. Here is his #16 review in 720p. Watch in 720p and full screen.
111228 - Bobflyman in Devon UK made this #16 unboxing and review in 720p. Watch in 720p and full screen.
Sample Video Files
in Devon UK. Watch in 720p
and full screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyx6dgSYxR8 - Sample Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2rRGft_EYA - Sample Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cokro-TpNag - Fisheye Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIaulFhH7ZM - Fitting Wide Lens
By eletoponline365. Posted by Padungsak. Watch in 720p and full screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXxdReek3-Q - Sample Video
|111221 - Fake #16|
fake #16 is being listed on eBay for US$8.99 delivered.
The title is "New Mini DVR 808 Car Key Chain Micro Camera Real HD 720P H.264 Pocket Camcorder".
The description says it is an 808 #16.
The ebay policy is "We don't allow replicas, counterfeit items, or unauthorized copies to be listed on eBay."
|111220 - #16 Forum|
| Tom Frank has started the 808 #16 forum "The
New #16 Configurable HD Key Cam" at
|111220 - #16 is Available to Purchase|
111220 - The #16 is now offered for sale. Search eBay for "808 #16".
eletoponline365 offers the following description:
Whatís special about this new 808 #16 camera?
|111126 - #16 First Report, Not Available Yet|
|The 808 developers of the #11 are working
on an improved version in China that will be called the #16. Tom Frank, the
founder of the #11 forum, is doing extensive design verification
for the developers, which will make this the best 808 camera
The MOV file video is 1280x720, H.264, 6500Kbps. The audio is 512Kbps, 32000Hz, 16 bit.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1362692 - begin at message #7942. This starts the discussion about the #16.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20050541&postcount=8003 - What might be in the #16.
http://exposureroom.com/members/tomfrank/eb47fd57ff0f4d83a8d42db84dcd3a0f/ - video comparison of the #11 and prototype #16.
The 808 #16 is still being developed and is not available to purchase.
By Tom Frank - Video comparison of #11 and #16 prototype.
By Tom Frank - Battery side of #16 V1. First 808 camera to have a battery connector.
By Tom Frank - Button Side of #16.
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